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    March 09, 2005

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    Connie Sartain

    Congratulations! can't wait to see it...assuming its not proprietary.

    I think there's a strong relationship between achievement and truthtelling. *Power is based on too many lies. Also true of most affiliation. Truth just gets lost in groups.

    *I'm referring to the corporate or government setting, where power is defined as power over other people. I think of that as positional power, not real power. The only real power is personal which is rooted in the ability to express yourself truthfully....and perhaps inspire others.

    Tom Guarriello

    Eager to show you, Connie.

    Thanks for pointing out the connection between achievement and truthtelling. No doubt those who are strongly focused on achievement can't be deluded by the fog of BS; if something's lousy, calling it great doesn't make it so. Like Lyndon Johnson once said, "you can't shine shit."

    Jon Husband

    You must know all about Lyle Spencer's book "Competencies At Work". Lyle's the guy at McBer who took McLelland's work and spread it all over the place, along with Murray Dalzeil and Richard Boyatzis (via the Hay group).

    I used to work with those guys. Pity, imo, that it's become so commoditized, because the fundamental work is seminal, and highly useful when applied in appropriate, intelligent and ethical ways. I remember one of Boyatzis' speeches at a linkage event, titled "Competencies Without Values Is Like Sex Without Love" ;-)

    Tom Guarriello

    Yes, Jon, I'm very familiar with Spencer's book and respect that work a great deal. As you say, however, the Hay-McBer "system" became a mechanized process that many were able to copy in the late 90s. At that point, every company's "competency model" started to look like everyone else's (I'll resist resorting to the sexual metaphor you so aptly introduced!), and the whole thing broke down. But that doesn't diminish the power of McClelland's simple system to help us understand human motivation and performance.

    Jon Husband

    Yes, I agree. McLelland's work was a major achievement, and deserves respect and care in its applications.

    Lisa Mirchin

    Tom,
    Where does this need go on the McLelland scale?
    "The High Need to Bring Out the Best in Others"

    Which is what you do.
    Every day.

    Tom Guarriello

    The previous commenter, aside from being a wonderful friend with an amazingly high NAch, (and a healthy NPow!) is an absolute joy to work with.

    And, while I'm at it, I was remiss in not mentioning the fourth member of our team who joined us for this project and made it smooooth sailing. Thanks, Patti!

    Jeanne

    I beg to differ on the topic of lying/ethics and nAch. One would think that the need to meet high standards that is associated with nAch would push people to be honest with themselves and others, as I think some of you are suggesting. However, in my experience what often happens is that the drive to get results is so overwhelming and the thrill of a high score or completing a big project or making a big sale is so great that people with high nAch will go to any length to get that thrilling feeling, even if in the long run this behavior will negatively impact quality. Basically, the *rational* way for people with high nAch to fullfill their needs is to be honest with themselves and others about what they are doing, but people are not always rational.

    Moreover, I think a healthy socialized nPow motive is more likely to pull for truth telling and ethical behavior. Power is not always about control, it is more generally about influencing others, and it can be about having a positive impact on others. When people are driven to have a positive impact on others, they are necessarily driven to treat them in ethically sound ways, and this will typically pull them to tell the truth ("white lies" would be an exception.)

    Tom Guarriello

    Thanks for the comment, Jeanne. I concur that a distorted achievement need can drive unethical behavior. This is where I think motivation is more complex than McClelland's model. I think it's important to add something like Adler's "social interest" into the mix to round out the picture. In that schema, the achievement need would focus not just on my personal goals, but on facilitating broader social well-being, with ethical factors being a part of the achievement calculus.

    Rory Stewart

    I have a questionnaire, which is subjectively relevant for most respondents, that takes McClelland's three needs and adds Security. Does anyone know where this comes from?

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